No Surrender, No Retreat

Overview

Sheridan's forces attempt to liberate Proxima 3. Londo tries to enlist G'Kar's aid in backing Sheridan against Earth. Marcia Mitzman Gaven as Commander Levitt. Richard Gant as Captain MacDougan. Ken Jenkins as Captain Hall.

P5 Rating: 9.16

Production number: 415
Original air week: May 26, 1997
DVD release date: January 6, 2004

Written by J. Michael Straczynski
Directed by Mike Vejar

An episodic soundtrack is available.

Plot Points

@@@864600713 Sheridan's forces have liberated Proxima 3. In the process, several additional Earth Alliance cruisers defected to his side. Some are remaining to guard Proxima 3 against retaliation by President Clark.
@@@864600713 During the Earth-Minbari War, G'Kar personally supervised the sale of Narn weapons to Earth.
@@@864600713 Londo and G'Kar have agreed to throw the support of their respective governments behind Sheridan. The nonaligned worlds have apparently dissolved their mutual defense pacts with Earth and are staying out of the conflict, aside from loaning ships to help defend Babylon 5 itself.
@@@864605370 Garibaldi has left the station for Mars, and never intends to return. He plans to try to help free Earth, but not in concert with Sheridan, whose methods Garibaldi opposes.

Unanswered Questions

@@@864667703 What exactly will come of the declaration of support by Centauri Prime and Narn? Will they provide military support to Sheridan? Did he know the declaration was coming?
@@@865125941 Does Londo's declaration mean that he has voided the nonagression treaty between Centauri Prime and Earth ("The Fall of Night?") Does the implantation of a Keeper on at least one Centauri official ("Epiphanies") spell trouble for Centauri support of Sheridan's cause?
@@@865180478 What was Vir writing when he fell asleep?
@@@866393918 What business did Garibaldi have in Centauri space?
@@@864605370 What does Garibaldi plan to do to fight for Earth?
@@@864605370 How does Sheridan hope to use the frozen telepaths?

Analysis

@@@864667703 Sheridan told Commander Levitt the League wasn't getting involved because he wanted this to be a clean fight, presumably meaning no alien involvement. But in fact, aliens are already involved; the crew of the White Star fleet is largely Minbari, and the ships themselves are a Minbari/Vorlon concoction.
Earth forces being attacked by Minbari-made vessels with Minbari crews would seem perfect propaganda fodder for Clark, further "evidence" that Sheridan has gone over to the Minbari side as suggested in "The Illusion of Truth."
Of course, it could be argued that many Minbari are part human anyway ("Atonement") and thus aren't completely out of place in a human civil war, but that argument would likely do little to dampen the effect of Clark's propaganda, should he choose to concoct any.
@@@865017413 Patriotism and its effects played a key thematic role in this episode. Sheridan's patriotism (as described when he spoke to the other captains about the ideals of the Alliance) drove him to attack his own people. Garibaldi's patriotism, if his conversation with Vir is to be believed, is strong as well, but Sheridan's methods are abhorrent to him. Londo's patriotism led him to forsake his friends, and now he finds himself alone. G'Kar's patriotism lost him his eye.
Perhaps even Clark believes he's acting in Earth's best interest, though that puts him on a collision course with Sheridan.
@@@865184651 Did Garibaldi tell Edgars about Sheridan's imminent campaign? If so, Edgars doesn't appear to have relayed the information to Earth Force, since the commanders at Proxima 3 were unaware Sheridan was on the move. On the other hand, Garibaldi didn't know the particulars of the first phase of the campaign.
@@@865180152 Garibaldi apparently didn't visit G'Kar to say goodbye (or at least, no such visit was shown.) Why not, especially given what G'Kar went through while searching for him?
@@@865180478 G'Kar is apparently still working on the book he started while in prison ("Messages from Earth.")
@@@865798185 When Londo asked about G'Kar's eye, G'Kar responded, "It sees." His eye is therefore probably not, at present, the "eye that does not see" from Lady Morella's prophecy ("Point of No Return.") Was his natural eye in fact the one referred to by the prophecy? Since it needs to be recharged nightly to continue seeing ("Atonement") and since it's not in evidence 17 years in the future, when G'Kar and Londo kill each other ("War Without End, Part Two") the artificial eye may yet turn out to be the one Morella was referring to.
@@@865180478 Londo offered a toast to the humans, who he regards as a bridge between the Centauri and Narn. This echoes Delenn's statements ("And Now For a Word," "Lines of Communication") that humanity's greatest strength is the ability to form communities of diverse people.
@@@865016822 The drink Londo referred to while talking to G'Kar was in "The Coming of Shadows," bought by G'Kar after he learned the Centauri Emperor had come to make peace with the Narn.
Shortly thereafter, Londo did have some inkling that he was losing his friends thanks to his activities; he offered Garibaldi a drink in "Acts of Sacrifice," acknowledging that the two were still "friends, if only for a little while."
@@@865533963 Londo's rationale for the joint declaration was nearly identical to Sheridan's argument for allowing the White Star fleet to patrol Narn and Centauri space ("Conflicts of Interest.") However, since Sheridan apparently decided not to publicize the fact that both the Narn and Centauri had agreed to the patrols (assuming the Narn agreed -- it's only been explicitly stated that the Centauri did) this joint declaration is the first official act of unity that's been shown.
@@@865180152 Vir's nightmare presumably related to the assassination of Cartagia ("The Long Night.") It's odd that he cried out, "I didn't do it," when in fact he did kill Cartagia, perhaps an indication that part of him still doesn't believe what he did.
On the other hand, it's possible he was dreaming of something else, perhaps one of the precognitive dreams Centauri have. In that case, one candidate that'd fit his exclamation would be his discovery of the dead bodies of Londo and G'Kar ("War Without End, Part Two.")
One other Centauri has been shown awakening from a nightmare recently: the Regent in "Epiphanies," who awoke to discover he had a Keeper attached to his neck.
@@@864920269 Earth appears to have improved its scanning technology; White Star ships were hit more than once during the battle. Previously, Earth weapon systems haven't been able to lock onto Minbari ships (e.g. "Points of Departure.") Presumably the White Stars, which incorporate much more advanced Vorlon technology as well, are even harder to get a fix on. Perhaps the Shadows supplied Earth with some technical tips.
It's possible manual targeting was used (novel "The Shadow Within") and the Earth ships simply got in a few lucky shots, but that runs counter to Sheridan's message to the other captains that he wouldn't consider them hostile if their weapons didn't lock on. That message wouldn't make sense if they weren't capable of locking on anyway. On the other hand, since Sheridan wanted to test the hostility of the Earth ships, he may have ordered the White Stars to turn off their countermeasures. In "Points of Departure" Minbari ships were able to make themselves trackable by the station's scanners as desired.
Either way, only one White Star was seen to have been destroyed, and then only because it smashed into a cruiser seconds after being hit. Possibly the White Stars are advanced enough that a momentary loss of control is the only real impact from a single hit by Earth weapons.
@@@865277191 While Marcus was gathering information on the hostility of the Earth cruisers, his contact on Proxima 3 was under attack by ground forces. What happened to the ground forces after the space battle? Sheridan appeared to consider the planet liberated once the commander of the Heracles capitulated; did she have authority over all Earth forces in the region, or are there still holdouts on the surface?
@@@865277191 Sheridan promised to liberate Proxima, then take the battle to Mars and finally to Earth. What about the colony on Orion 7, which seceded from the Earth Alliance at the same time Proxima 3 did? ("Severed Dreams") Perhaps it has already fallen, or maybe it's not under as much duress as Proxima was, so Sheridan felt the best way to liberate it was to take back Earth. Or perhaps it's a small colony and Clark didn't deem it worth the effort to take back.
@@@865016930 In "War Without End, Part One" the White Star's Vorlon technology adapted its defenses to shrug off blasts from Shadow fighters after it was hit. Will the surviving White Stars from the battle at Proxima 3 now be more resistant to Earth's weapons, and thus even more potent weapons?
@@@865708521 Commander Levitt knew that the League worlds had sided with Sheridan. How did she know, if Babylon 5 is officially cut off from Earth? The most likely answer is that she'd been watching the Voice of the Resistance broadcasts, which indicates that they are indeed reaching the colonies.

Notes

@@@864885020 The Alexander ("Severed Dreams") has survived and is apparently now patrolling Proxima 3 to guard against retaliation by Clark's forces.
@@@865016309 The Vesta's logo (visible on the bridge) is a stylized flame in a brazier. Vesta is the Roman goddess of the hearth. The Heracles' logo appears to incorporate arrows in the "H" at the bottom, probably a reference to Heracles' poison arrows from Greek mythology.
@@@865277191 The ship that withdrew from the battle was the Juno. In Roman mythology, Juno was the goddess of light and birth. In Greek mythology she was called Hera.
@@@866783759 The names of two of the ships that surrendered had symbolic relation to Sheridan's campaign. The Furies were goddesses who punished crimes against one's kin. Nemesis was the goddess who punished hubris -- putting oneself above the gods.
@@@865533511 The Pollux was named after Greek mythology as well. Castor and Pollux, the two main stars of the constellation Gemini, were brothers. When Pollux was killed, Castor was so despondent that Zeus agreed to turn them both into stars so they could always be together.
@@@865533369 Possible continuity glitch: Just before Garibaldi's arrival, Vir drops his pen while he's asleep. When he stands up, he's holding the pen again. Of course, he might have picked it up upon awakening.
@@@874859104 Effects glitch: The Earth Alliance logos on the Pollux and the Furies are backwards. The "E" can be seen to point to the left rather than the right.

jms speaks

@@@864752359 Why don't we ever see Clark?
I wanted to keep Clark more a force than a person...and Vir has just been off doing his usual Vir stuff...he's back this coming week.
@@@865362300 Proxima 3 is in the Proxima Centauri system, next door to Proxima 2, but no one goes there because the tourist season is way too short.
@@@865269464 "It seems to me that the White Stars (particularly in the numbers I perceived in this Ep) should have been able to deal with the Earth ships like lamb to a slaughter."
Yeah, if all you want is to slaughter fellow humans and officers; if you want to try to minimize the body count of your fellow officers, who you want to eventually side with you, it's more difficult, you have to keep the kid gloves on...which endangers you in the long run.
@@@865446689 "were these White Stars tired or something? I would've expected that a couple of them could just go slice-slice, sever the rotating sections on the EA ships and have 'em for breakfast."
Sure, if all you're interested in is slaughtering the opposition...they were designed for "destroy"...when you have to pull your punches to avoid just going in and killing EVERYthing in sight...which will only work *against* you in the long run, it becomes more difficult.
@@@865492857 There were a lot of ethical decisions on all sides, something you don't usually see in military SF. Were you in the military?
No, I wasn't in the military, just having missed the Vietnam draft. The points you mention are all the ones I wanted to get into with that episode, and the ones a lot of folks have overlooked in suggesting that it should have been an episode about slicing-and-dicing the enemy (the enemy in this case being our own species). The show, at root, is about ethics, among other things, and the ethical choices will continue to get more difficult the deeper you go. There is a very fine line that Sheridan's walking in all this.
@@@865492857 It's certainly an issue I care about quite a lot, and the delicate balance between orders and conscience, between what you think you should be doing vs. what you feel you *must* do, is the heart of 99% of all drama.
@@@865578466 "G'Kar seems to know that it's Mollari at his door -- why else would he wait so long to call, "Enter?" But how did he know -- was it an official request by Londo?"
If you recall, when Garibaldi visited Vir, Vir mentioned that Londo was arranging a meeting with G'Kar, so it was definitely set up in advance.
@@@865269464 The Londo/G'Kar stuff was nifty...and yes, he's struggling toward redemption as best he can, making a real effort, which is important, because if he's going to end up with a Keeper on him eventually, as we've seen, best to feel for him, which you can't if he's a bad guy.
Set 'em up, knock 'em down....
@@@865492857 If G'Kar came around too easily or quickly, it would ring false; it had to go through some time and reflection. But even though one could certainly agree with his anger over what's happened, G'Kar has to try and overcome that and even transcend it.